there's also now i think timing's important now because the supreme court's going to be taking up the defense of marriage act. some folks think it may be getting overturned when they hear arguments in march and april. if that happens same sex couples able to marry will have access to all the federal benefits that come with marriage. civil union couples will not. that will be a real discrepancy that means a lot of economic hardship on families and protections that aren't there for the families in the same way. >> why do you think that aside from religious voters that the mentality toward same-sex marriage is changing among constituents? >> i think that it's -- i know my daughter, for example she's got three kids, at least three kids in her class who have two parents of the same self. she can't possibly fathom why that family is treated differently than our family. people know our friends and you have so many relationships now you see in loving committed relationships have families that need the same protections as your own family. i think it becomes a less mysterious concern and factor when yo